I just saw "Unknown White Male" and was pretty quickly convinced it was a fake. Has anyone seen it and would care to comment? The director and the guy its about are swearing to its authenticity but it just doesn't hold up. Ebert did some research on this one and did not find any news reports in any papers to substantiate the events. What do you think of people who pass off fiction for truth? I think they should be shot, or at least strung up and have electrodes attached to their nether parts....
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Re: Mock-u-mentaries: what do you think of them?
Wed, March 19, 2008 - 5:11 PMYes, well, that sets us up for a nuanced discussion! :-)
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Wed, March 19, 2008 - 6:20 PMI like some mockumentaries. They can be incredibly entertaining (Spinal Tap), really boring (Waiting for Guffman) or anywhere in between.
I'm not so happy about people who pass off fiction for nonfiction, be it in the world of cinema or in the world of literature. That's just wrong, and any second grader will tell you that you shouldn't lie.
As for Unknown White Male, the consensus seems to be that it was a fake (I haven't seen it; hadn't even heard of it, actually). The IMDB boards have some interesting discussions, along with a link to this Wash Post article:
www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...40.html
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Thu, March 20, 2008 - 3:49 AM"Kenny". Funny :)
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Thu, March 20, 2008 - 5:30 AMWell, i don't mind intentional mockumentaries, like "Spinal Tap" where everyone is in on the joke. Buit these ones that are deliberately lying and passing themselves of as true stories, they should be investigated a bit more before any compnay distributes them. The whole back story of the "Unknown White Male" leads me to believe its utterly made up. The guy who got this super, super rare form of amnesia, just happen to be a very wealthy photography student in New York and just happen to start fliming his conditions within days of having his memory supposedly completely obliterated. Upon meeting his father and sister, after the accident, I just happens to be filming as he gets off the airplane...All this and much more is just a little hard to swallow. But see, the controversy, increases the interest in the public, so the distributor could care less about whether its all lies. -
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Thu, March 20, 2008 - 10:47 AMi saw the documentary in question, and while i'd agree that his form of amnesia sounds particularly strange, the circumstances around his filming the whole thing are not...in the beginning of the film, he explains that they are filming everything (they even play the phone call when he's telling the sister and dad about his visit, where he asks them to film it) as a way of trying to help him to remember his life before the amnesia (btw, he was NOT a photographer before the amnesia...he was a business guy before, and became a photographer afterwards)
it is a far fetched situation, but if it weren't, would we be watching a documentary about it?
the personality change that is described by his friends seems pretty severe to be done just for the film, but it could be a particularly well-made fiction...i just can't believe that the entire cast was "in on it" since the performances (particularly the sister and best friend) are SO realistic...if they are actors, they should definitely be getting a lot more work!!
i may be gullible, but i bought the whole thing...believing that there is a guy out there who is dealing with getting on with his new life without going back to fill in the blanks of the past
btw, the distributor is IFC...i'm thinking that your saying that they "could care less about whether its all lies" is sorely misguided. i understand that you won't want to rewatch it, but i really think you should so you can see some of the things you obviously missed -
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Fri, March 21, 2008 - 4:54 AMActually he was a photography student before the "accident." He was hanging around all these video and art types and he probably worked out a scheme to create a sensation around himself to promote himself in his new career in a very competetive field. Look at the film closely, he is not suffering very much at all between his trips all around Europe to eat at expensive restaurants and take in the sun in Spain. The film maker is laughing at us! Here is a 30 year old guy that was supposed to have made a fortune on which he can afford a huge loft in New York and have a family of jet-setters and you think he does not have the personality to pull out of his hat another scam? This is what people are doing now in the indy-world of creating doucmentaries of fictions. Its now becomming common-place. There are no news reports to validate this incident. No news media picked up on the story and if it is that rare, it would have certainly been covered on the local and maybe national news but nothing. Nor have any professional papers been written about this case. He also did not act like he had been traumatized - he was way too enterprising right from the start. I am a psychologist and have seen lots of cases of malingers and this just smacks of it. Of course they could have easily reconstructed his life with credit cards and bank statements but instead created this strange narcissistic story about how he's one of the beautiful people with all these beautiful girls around him. Does that consititute a personality change? He seems like the same superficial priviledged person as before - and the zen-like comments about tasting strawberries for the first time - on paaaleeezzz, give me a break! -
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Fri, March 21, 2008 - 9:28 AMi guess i just don't understand why you're so angry about it.
i mean, i can understand not liking it, or thinking that the people in it weren't the type of people you want to see in a film...but why does his (possible) deception irk you so much? are you angry with yourself for buying into something that might not be true, or are you just trying to create some moral bar that all documentarians need to pass before they can call their films documentaries? do slanted documentaries (like those of Michael Moore) make you as angry, or does knowing their slant make it ok?
i thought it was a decent doc, and enjoyed watching it...even recommended it to a couple of friends. would my reaction have been any different if i knew that he had not gone through that trauma? probably not...in fact, i want to seek out other films by the documentarian to see what else they can come up with
in any case, taste is subjective...i actually liked Waiting for Guffman...it was A Mighty Wind that i found unwatchable
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Wed, March 26, 2008 - 5:20 AMIsn't lying and deception wrong? -
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Wed, March 26, 2008 - 12:07 PMIsn't there something inherently deceptive about documentaries in general though? I mean, all documentaries involve somebody deciding where to put the camera and how to frame shots. Those decisions impose a point of view. Unless the camera is hidden, behavior is going to be influenced by the presence of a camera and crew so what the camera captures is rarely pure, untampered reality. Later in the editing room, decisions are made as to how footage will be assembled so it tells a story.
Some documentarians may struggle to be as objective and truthful as possible while others, like Michael Moore, operate more like essayists -- they have no qualms about making a documentary designed to convey a personal thesis.
Years ago, mocumentaries like "This is Spinal Tap" were easier to spot as such. But not by everyone. Some people *didn't* get that the movie was fictional parody because they lacked the cultural references. (Well, if you watch enough VH1 Behind the Music episodes, the line between parody and reality gets real blurry but that show didn't exist when Tap first hit theaters.) Would Spinal Tap have been as much fun if it began with a disclaimer? Was it irresponsible of Rob Reiner to not blatantly identify his movie as a work of fiction? Should Orson Welles have interrupted his infamous "War of the Worlds" radio broadcast with regularly announced disclaimers to avoid confusing the gullible and stupid?
"Mail Order Wife" from 2005 (www.imdb.com/title/tt0377088/), never flags itself as a work of fiction, but not long into it, I figured that it was. It was just too funny. Trying to determine whether or not it was a work of fiction was part of the fun of watching it.
Anyway, we're living in an age where video equipment and editing programs are more accessible and inexpensive than ever before. So anybody, with any agenda, can shoot and cut a "documentary" and expose it to an audience through venues like YouTube and others, without feeling any kind of accountability or responsibility. Aspiring filmmakers can create fictional pieces that have the look and feel of a documentary because it's a cost-effective way to showcase their work. Should they be obligated to attach a disclaimer?
All these factors make it more important than ever to watch all media with a critical eye.
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Thu, March 27, 2008 - 5:09 AMGot to love "Best in Show" and "The Mighty Wind". I laughed my ass off. -
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Thu, March 27, 2008 - 11:42 AMOne of my favorites is Forgotten Silver...it's a film-history mockumentary that takes itself seriously and never really winks at the audience (i know many people who thought it was all true), but it's easy to see the references to real history if you know enough about the history of film.
mockumentaries or fake documentaries are not lying and deception...they are works of creative fiction...
if you want to criticize people who spread lies and deception in a forum that is supposed to relay only facts, you might want to direct your anger at the news...documentaries have no such responsibility (unless it is instilled by the filmmakers themselves).
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Tue, April 1, 2008 - 4:14 PMMy favorite mockumentary is The Life Aquatic...with Bill Murray, since it is actually a mockumentary on mockumentaries! Spinal Tap is the classic. with the Mighty WInd and Best in Sow ensemble tickling me all the way through.
Now is there something inherently wrong with them? No. Unless they are being shown without the sarcasm/irony, or with levels so low as to be satirically questionable. Subtlety, in this type of movie, can create the appearance of someone taking a position on an issue/tragedy/whatever/ and the humor being missed which will anger the audience when the deception is finally revealed.
In writing, as in movies, there are rules that are sacrosanct. You can break them, but you will pay by angering your readers/viewers. The way this was explained to me was with the old time serials in the movies. They would leave a heroine hanging on the edge of some catastrophe and there were fair ways to get her out of the situation. She could fall into his arms at the bottom of the cliff. However, if there was an extrication that was somehow wrong, your audience was lost due to anger. Rather than a heroic act, she was saved by a strong wind that blew her up to the top of the cliff.
So if this is what happened In the case of this movie, then yes the guys broke the rules and deserve your anger, and more.